The discussion involves many real-life situations and is not just some academic waffling. It involves real expereinces of real people and I think will be very beneficial to us here.
In this 1 hour interview they also discuss the issue of one day possibly forcing out Muslims from Western countries as Spain did back in the 1400s with the reconquista. This needs clarification, they are not speaking of all Muslims. They are talking about those Muslims who wish to implement Sharia. Like most normal people, they do not care if Muslims want to pray or eat or fast or even dress in a certain way - unless coercion is involved - if they feel their religion requires it. Who cares right? We would agree that that is none of our business. The problem only comes when those with a contradictory set of beliefs and laws seek to force them on us. The speakers are merely using the term "Muslim" loosely in the same way we used to use the word "Russian" as being synonymous with "Communist" during the Cold War. Not all Russians were Communists, not all Muslims want Sharia implemented. Based on what I've heard them say elsewhere I am sure that given the chance to clarify both would readily agree to this definition.
In any event this is a fascinating discussion for us in far away New Zealand to listen in to.