Thanks to Gates of Vienna for the article. They also provide this prologue:~
Zineb el-Rhazoui is a young French writer who was born in Morocco. She left Islam at an early age, and is now a secular atheist.
In January 2015 Ms. El-Rhazoui was working for the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo at the time of the jihad massacre. However, she was not present at the editorial meeting targeted by the attackers, and so escaped the slaughter.
In the following video Zineb el-Rhazoui appears on a French talk show to discuss her new book, Destroy Islamic Fascism. Many thanks to Ava Lon for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:
00:00 Good evening, Zineb el-Rhazoui. —Good evening. —You are a former journalist at Charlie Hebdo.
00:04 You published “13 Witnesses in the Heart of the Attack” [Bataclan], and you return with a book
00:08 called “Destroying Islamic Fascism”.
00:12 First, if this government initiative of deradicalization in prison
00:16 isn’t working, says the Minister of Justice, we change everything;
00:20 we isolate the most difficult detained, and we question this course.
00:24 Does it surprise you? --Well, it doesn’t surprise me. I think that for a long time people
00:28 have been saying it’s not working. First of all, it’s a good thing to have a finding of failure:
00:32 at least they had the wisdom to say, well, we stop the damage. 00:37 For me deradicalization first of all liberates the speech
00:41 about Islam. It’s first of all treating Islam and
00:45 Islamist ideology that grew inside it in a
00:49 Rational way. Subject it to criticism
00:53 of ideas, and also force this religion to submit to the law,
01:01 is dedicated to Muslim atheists; that’s how you define yourself?
01:05 —Yes. It’s a wink of humor. You know, today in France
01:10 we are hostages of the narrative that tells us:
01:14 be careful, criticizing Islam is racist! Meaning that there’s confusion
01:18 between an idea and a race. Well if a Muslim race exists,
01:22 then I’m a member of it, right? But I am an atheist, and secular. 01:26 So you say “it’s an Islamic fascism”. The word “fascism”
01:30 is extremely strong, and you’re going even further, because you say,
01:35 “It succeeded where other fascisms from the right wing failed, 01:39 while giving itself respectability.” It’s truly violent, since
01:43 you don’t say ISLAMIST, you say ISLAMIC, meaning what? It’s Islam itself
01:47 that you are questioning? --Listen, I think that first of all Islam isn’t --
01:51 we have to accept the idea — that Islam isn’t sacred.
01:55 It’s sacred for those who believe,
02:00 but not for the rest of society. Would we today, for example,
02:04 accept the idea of protecting Judaism or Catholicism from any criticism
02:08 and from reason? No. Well, concerning Islam, it’s the same:
02:12 Islam, when followed to the letter, like anything followed 02:16 to the letter, certainly becomes totalitarian, and this totalitarianism
02:20 is sold to us today by its followers as something virtuous and something good.
02:25 And you, when you say that, you aren’t under the impression, 02:29 you are going to tell me, now it’s Politically Correct, but I was talking on this set
02:33 with Eric Zemmours or Philippe de Villiers who were sitting in your chair and they were saying
02:37 “Islam is incompatible with France”, but it’s not what you are saying.
02:41 But NO religion is compatible with democracy!
02:45 This democracy was created by putting religion aside.
02:49 So for me, Islam, as culture,
02:53 as civilization, defines itself first of all
02:58 by many other things than religion. And by the way we need to establish
03:02 still a very clear distinction between Islam as an idea and Muslims.
03:06 Muslims are diverse; it’s not a monolith,
03:10 and they are individuals, those are people who have rights. 03:14 So, I say in my book that the right wing like the Islamic right wing,
03:18 even if they don’t have the same societal project, they have the same dialectic,
03:23 and both refuse to see Muslims as individuals and persist
03:27 in seeing them as a community —And an individual who has right to live without Islam
03:31 like he wants in his own way. And it could mean being and atheist or a believer.
03:35 Is that what you are saying? —First of all, secularism is the only circumstance that allows
03:39 any person to practice his religion. To my knowledge, in Islamic theocracies no one has the right
03:43 to believe anything else or worship anything else, so here the question
03:47 isn’t even freedom of religion. Freedom of religion exists in France, voilà;
03:51 However, the definition of Muslims as “a community”,
03:55 I do refuse the idea of a self-proclaimed religious community, 04:00 with pseudo-representatives, who wish to obtain
04:04 separate rights, more rights, [privileges] in the Republic.
04:08 Islamic fascism. You were at Charlie Hebdo, you lived, you participated
04:12 in the issue right after the massacre, and you were very close, unfortunately,
04:16 to all the victims of Charlie Hebdo. Do you think that today, French society,
04:20 French politicians have evolved on the question of the radical Islamism, of the danger?
04:25 Absolutely not! I even find that there was a regression. First, 04:29 because which newspaper would dare to draw the prophet today?
04:33 Do we have more freedom of speech? Especially about Islam,
04:37 about something we cannot criticize, “…otherwise blood will be spilled.”
04:41 That’s still the message from the terrorists, and we are, on the contrary --
04:45 in fact we give them accolades: no, no, you can’t touch it! Careful, Islam is a religion
04:50 of peace and love. This is why I wrote this book. It’s really a cry of anger, to say, “Stop it!”
04:54 We won’t solve the problem until we call a spade the spade. 04:58 But you don’t beat around the bush, because you say that even the moderate imams,
05:02 do they really do their job as critics? What is a moderate imam?
05:06 What does it mean? Even a group of people who take a position and who want French Islam
05:10 for example, don’t you recognize them? —Well, a moderate imam, I’m asking myself,
05:14 who is a moderate imam? Is it someone who condemns the attacks, for example, OK?
05:18 It happens, fortunately; they do it! —Well, listen, fine, I’m tempted to say,
05:22 “We’re lucky they do it”, but to condemn the attacks means to condemn something that is already
05:26 condemned by the law. For me, an enlightened imam, however, would be
05:30 someone who examines the writings that cause those attacks, and who condemns those texts.
05:35 Concerning the debate about the burkini this summer, we didn’t 05:39 See a single imam who made an effort to say,
05:43 “You can be Muslim and wear a bikini”. None of them said it, they all
05:47 put themselves exactly in the victim camp, decrying Islamophobia,
05:51 making sure to always supply the victim narrative,
05:55 which gives Muslims the impression of being part of a large persecuted community,
06:00 while they should themselves be more appeasing.
06:04 What you say is that “Islamophobia” is a concept that today is malign and misleading,
06:08 and some people use it politically. —For me it’s an absolute intellectual imposture.
06:12 For me “Islamophobia” is a dialectical, discursive tool,
06:16 created to shut up those who criticize Islam in the West,
06:20 where Islam doesn’t have coercive power.
06:24 Because in the Islamic theocracies “Islamophobia” doesn’t exist.
06:29 What exists is denial of blasphemy, apostasy and insult to the religion.
06:33 Where Islam has judicial power, people who criticize it are legion,
06:37 but they end up in jail; caned, like Al-Badawi. They aren’t, however, accused of
06:41 “Islamophobia”. So for me, on top of everything, comparing one more time
06:45 the criticism of religion to racism against individuals that are called “Muslims”,
06:49 knowing that it’s hard to define a Muslim: is it someone
06:53 who was born into this creed, or someone who chose it? Or someone who is perceived as such,
06:58 or someone who defines himself as such? I don’t know who is a Muslim.
07:02 So to say that criticizing Islam as a religious dogma, written by Bedouins in a desert
07:06 fifteen centuries ago, is to hate personally all people associated with this community,
07:10 is still an insupportable intellectual shortcut!
07:14 Long live free thinking? — Of course long live free thinking! —That’s what you are saying.
07:18 Just a last word. You say why women are particularly targeted. I didn’t know it.
07:22 But you said that for men there are also interdictions concerning clothing,
07:26 for example in the Quran, they cannot wear golden or silver thread, but nobody talks about it.
07:30 Listen, Muslim men know it very well. A Muslim man is forbidden to wear
07:34 silk, gold or silver. Yet we don’t hear of employees of a company
07:39 going on strike because there are silk threads in their uniforms.
07:43 We don’t hear of jewelry stores ransacked because they sell silver chains or…
07:47 we don’t hear all that. However, we hear
07:51 all day long about the full-face veil and the burkini.
07:55 This clearly indicates that there’s sexism, incidentally, a sexism that
07:59 represses the women under this Islamist ideology. It’s by the way a common point with all the other
08:03 fascisms that also practise a repressive sexism against women and homosexuals.
08:07 It shows you that they have a problem with the women.
08:11 When they are veiled here, it’s a problem; when they aren’t 08:15 veiled in Muslim countries, it’s a problem. It’s always a problem.
08:20 So there are clothing restrictions for men in Islam, but you don’t hear about it.
08:24 Nobody talks about “burka-shorts”, even though we know that a Muslim man
08:28 isn’t supposed to show skin between his belly button and his knees,
08:32 and yet there are no “burka-shorts” on the beach. They wear regular swimwear.
08:36 Like the rest of the citizens: atheists, Christians or Jews. —Thank you Zineb
08:40 Zineb: Destroy Islamic Fascism. Thank you very much. —Thank you
08:45 Thank you for this cry and this forceful conviction.